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@Dhruv that's because they are. Same bumper. Same rims. Just different paint.
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I've seen it happen twice in the last couple weeks. Once the biggest-most modified-best tired Jeep in our group sunk himself in a sand culvert so deep it took 5 Jeeps, 2 winches, & 7 tow-straps pulling from 3 different directions to free him.
@Matt: the real question is, did u then drive the Santa Fe into the same spot the Jeep got stuck in? There are plenty of times a simple wrong line taken can result in an incredibly capable vehicle getting stuck where lesser vehicles have no trouble
@ Anton, just sayin, their experienced! They go atving, dirt biking and all... And my dad isn't an off roader lol
I can see how Matt's story of a stuck jeep can be true. Inexperienced drivers looking for trouble using a lower end model (no locker, and lets hope they put it in 4x4) could possibly get rescued by an experienced driver and traction controlled awd.
Holy crap Matt how do you not understand that? It doesn't matter if they are rare in Canada. They're EVERYWHERE in the US.
Whats irrelevant is you trying to make it different. So you not seeing X mean its not popular, that is your reasoning. That is the equation you are using I simply took out jeep for X and changed it to Hindu, now it's a completely different equation?
Area does that mean they are not popular anywhere else? Because I don't see Hindus in my area does that mean they are not popular anywhere else? I really can't clear up the thought experiment any more simple
Facepalm.... I'm not arguing the exact number of something nor the growth rate, I am debating your reasoning of failing to acknowledge the popularity of any given thing due to you not personally witnessing it. Because you do not see jeeps in your
Even if they're under the same principals, their 2 totally different things with 2 different patterns
@ no pistons... It's still totally irrelevant... # of People vs # of cars?? Patterns are different between the 2 so I really don't get what ur point is
Most Jeep owners I know don't even use them offroad. Heck they barely take them on gravel roads.
Obviously not there are 883 million followers and counting. Because you don't see jeeps does that mean they are unpopular or not common? Again obviously not if the factory is struggling to keep up with demand
No no its not, it's the principle and that's an example to show your flaw in reasoning. Because you don't see X does not mean its rare or unpopular. Because I don't see Hindus does that mean there aren't that many or it's not a large religion?..
That's totally irrelevant... People vs a car which is something u but is 2 totally different things
I rarely see a hindu in las vegas, does that mean they are rare and not many exist? Or does that make it very difficult to believe they are a VERY large culture?
I just find that hard to believe bec of how rare they r here.. Honestly, I MAYBE see one once a week, MAYBE
If you read the article, the factory operates 20 hours a day six days a week to try and keep up with demand. And they are NOT rare in the US
@ Patrick, I wasn't saying u were wrong, but I just find it hard to believe considering how rarely I see these in Canada... Like if they're this rare in the us, they must not have high production rates AT ALL if they cannot meet demand...
Matt there have been articles on here stating that the plant in Toledo cannot keep up with demand. Pay attention.
http://m.autoblog.com/2012/01/16/chrysler-boosting-wrangler-production-to-meet-heavy-demand/
But we went through mud dirt water rocks and sand to get to them, we knew our way bec we had been out their with them before
Patrick, I barely see any of these in Canada... And hell, these would b really good in the snow here but I still don't see them so idk how they can't produce them fast enough... And there's nothing done o my dads truck at all, it's all stock
Matt, Jeep can't make these things fast enough, literally. Driving on a dirt road doesn't count as offroading. You're obviously leaving out a variable in your story. Whether it be tires or what I'm not sure.
And why did we have to pull a wrangler out that was stuck then? I'm not saying the Santa Fe is better (I actually highly dis like my dads Santa Fe) but the wrangler isn't as good as u make it seem (but don't get me wrong it's good @ what it does)
@ Patrick, just bec it went 9 years doesn't mean it should, and this isn't one of the best selling vehicles of all time, I JUST searched up a list of the 50 best selling cars ever and it wasn't one of them (yes suv's were included in it)
Matt I don't believe that at all. And the TJ ran from 97-06. That's 9 years. This is one of the best selling vehicles of all time. They don't need to change it. You obviously haven't done any REAL offroading. I'd like to see that Santa Fe keep up wit
@matt It will be weekly/bi weekly races with a good amount of them so it is possible to make up for loss points. If we get enough people it will have regional and national races
@ Brian... My dads Santa Fe just has regular all season tires from the factory... And @ no pistons, I don't play much cuz I don't hve much time to but I would do that
Communicating everything/organizing the races through the fan page "Car People Are Awesome" along with personal messages. Let me know if interested and again I'm making this a legit series so it will be highly competitive :) well hopefully lol
Off topic but trying to get a ball rolling on this, who here is interested in doing a Forza4 Carbuzz championship? I'm setting this up to be a legit series for us(restrictions, qualy, teams, etc) if interested contact me on FB and I will be...
Nice. I did the same in a two wheel drive Chevy 1500. Good tires make all the difference.
@ Brian, yes a Santa Fe... when my dad asked me if I wanted to come along, I laughed a bit bec I thought he was kidding... But I went and we got through it all... Believe me if I didn't witness it my self I wouldn't believe it either lol
Like don't get me wrong, in the long run this would kill my dads Santa Fe off road, but that day, it could do everything their jeep did (which was a lot and it was pretty rough) without any sort of struggle
Same horrid terrain they did to go pull them out of a swampy like area... We had to go through mud, water, rocks an even a bit of sand to get to them! My dads awd Santa Fe... Like in no way is a Santa Fe a better off roster than one of these... But
I dont wanna sound like I'm hating, cuz it's probably going to come out like that... But I think people give these too much off road credit... Our friends got stuck when they were out off roading in one of these and guess what went through all the
The wrangler is an icon and therefore cannot be given a full makeover. The wrangler gens usually live for about a decade or so, sooo an update or new gen isn't coming soon. Like an earlier comment said, if you want a modern looking SUV, get a
@matt the did update. Hence the four doors added a couple years ago. Jeeps are a utilitarian vehicle made to offroad. Hence lockers, disconnecting sway bars and floor drains. Idk of any other car made to get cleaned by a garden hose.
Being perfectly flat. And it's lot like people are cross shopping these with highlanders or rav4s anywaysAnd jeep can't build them fast enough anyways. And they have updated them to pentastars v6s and special editions like islander and tomb raider.
@Matt. I don't think you get the point of wranglers. Sorry to sound cliche, but "it's a jeep thing". The design tries to stay as true to the original as possible, this is actually the first generation who's windshield has a slight curve instead of
The wrangler is an icon, it's not going to change much from the way it has always looked
They deleted my other post so the 2 below this don't make any sence... The last time they redesigned this was in 2007 and it was barely noticeable unless ur a huge jeep fan so it wouldn't b "every year" most automakers redesign suv's after 4-5 year
And it's right at that mark this year, many companies actually do it every 4 years
Matt do you know how effing expensive it would be to update everything every year? They are focusing on drivetrain and interior update before they update the exterior. Besides, you're one of the VERY few people that don't like it.
Then you shouldnt get a jeep. Thats the way they are if they changed it would be a nightmare. Oh and kahn needs to just stop. Its ridiculous
Sorry bec they run for 10 years they don't need an exterior up date? What? And just cuz it's a jeep doesn't mean it shouldn't get an update, they're pretty ugly IMO...
Expedition vehicle my ass. Do they even know what that means or do they just write stupid shit on all of their stuff? They usually run for 10 years or so. So don't expect an exterior update anytime soon. They don't need to anyways. It's a Jeep.
Still really don't care for the looks... When are they going to redesign this, it needs it bad!
This one actually doesn't look bad. Apart from the yellow paint making it resemble a Hummer H2.
Can A Kahn even design an interior without diamond shaped leather seats?
An improvement team? That sounds great, but I don't see any improvements.
Its always great when an improvement team comes in and makes the manufacture think why didnt we do that?